From: CBR has the answer

Posted - 01 Jan 2006 : 02:50:31

I agree with Van Flandern. But it will be difficult !

Posted - 05 Jan 2006 : 01:55:07

quote:Originally posted by thebobgy

I however, do not konw or conclude whether the universe, with life, was created or has alway existed

We know how how life developped on the Earth. Speaking of "origin of the Universe" is meaningless : Science must use meaningful words.

Posted - 08 Jan 2006 : 03:01:51

quote:Originally posted by Harry


Man has always looked for a Start, an Origin, where did we come from, where are we going and so on.

These questions have become a challenge for man. To go where no man has gone before.

Yes, the power of men comes from their need of knowledge. But our mind is weak, and our thought is mainly an imitation of our masters (we remain apes !).

We can try to escape from too many errors asking ourself: Do the word I use are meaningfull ? What is the origin of this idea ? and what was the origin of my masters' ideas ?

Unhappily the oldest, most absurd errors, are well established... while science is not democratic.

Posted - 03 Feb 2006 : 11:46:19

quote:Originally posted by Joe Keller

Suppose that Hubble's constant varies sinusoidally along the axis of the CMB velocity.

Conclusion: the Earth is the centre of the Universe.

Why do you look for complicated, unjustified theories while elemrntary physics (CREIL effect) explains the periodicities well ?

Posted - 05 Feb 2006 : 03:35:00

quote:Originally posted by Joe Keller


What's the CREIL effect?

- Joe

There are two types of light-matter interactions:

Usually, the spectroscopists study interactions in which the light exchange a quantified amount of energy with a molecule which jumps from a stationary state to an other.

The parametric light-matter interactions are coherent interactions (this means that light interacts with large sets of molecules, each one playing the same role with the local fields, so that the geometries of the light beams are not much perturbed by the interaction, and the images are not blurred), in which matter leaves only slightly its stationary state during the interaction and returns to its stationary state after.

The simplest parametric interaction is the refraction: the matter is not perturbed permanently, all atoms of a big prism are involved, even if the intensity of the light beam is extremely low.

A problem is keeping the coherence to get a strong effect. If the beams are continuous waves, and propagate in the same direction, they must have the same wavelength with different frequencies (do be distinct), it is only possible in a crystal: therefore crystals are uses to multiply, combine frequencies in laser technology.

In 1968, two authors observed frequency shifts using ultrashort laser pulses, and the experiment is now done involuntarily every day by people who send bits in optical fibres. It is an interaction of several beams which exchange energy to increase their entropy; an increase of energy produces a blueshift, a decrease a redshift. Usually, the radio beams (thermal in particular) are cold (temperature by Planck's law), the light beams are hot. Usually, it is useless to consider the cold beams, because there is thermal radiation everywhere.

Here, the condition of coherence was written by G. L. Lamb Jr in the "Reviews of Modern Physics" a long time ago : the light pulses must be "ultrashort", that is "shorter than all relevant time constant". The acronym CREIL is usually used if this condition is fulfilled by ordinary time-incoherent light, provided that matter in which it propagates have long "relevant time constants" (long meaning longer than several nanoseconds : time-coherence of ordinary light). It is difficult to find matter having so long a collisional time, and so long a Raman type resonance allowing the transfers of energy. Low pressure neutral atomic hydrogen in states 2S and 2P (named here H*) has the required properties, and the astronomical observations show that anomalous frequency shifts appear where there is H*.

H* may be created by various methods:

-1- heating H2 to 100 000 K at a pressure sufficient to avoid a full dissociation

-2- heating H2 to 10 000 K to split it into atoms, and produce the 2P state by a Lyman alpha pumping

-3- cooling a plasma protons + electrons.

-4- more complicated photochemical methods.

Methods 1 and 2 occur in the quasars, method 2 explains the "proximity effect" close to the quasars, method 3 explains the "anomalous acceleration" of Pioneer 10 and 11 probes by a transfer of energy from the solar light to the radio waves where the solar wind cools. This transfer of energy blueshifts the radio waves.

The coupling of the Lyman absorptions and the redshifts produces the periodicity 0.062 of the redshifts, simply by the propagation of far UV light in atomic hydrogen.

For more, look at, the papers physics/0503070 and physics/0507141.

Posted - 05 Feb 2006 : 03:46:52

Arriving into the solar system, the CMB is blueshifted (amplified) by a CREIL transfer of energy from the solar light (jast as the radio signal from the Pioneer 10 and 11 probes). Did you search a correlation between the anisotropy of the CMB and the solar wind (or the corona) ?

Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 02:20:51

quote:Originally posted by Joe Keller

The magnitude (equal to the acceleration which, applied to photons, would cause the Hubble redshift - A. Stolmar; see also my unpublished article of 2002) of the anomalous sunward acceleration of the Pioneer 10&11, Galileo and Ulysses probes, is constant, so the sun doesn't determine the magnitude.

No, the "anomalous acceleration" appears only beyond 5 UA, is maximal at 10 UA, and seems to decrease at larger distances. The gravitational frequency shifts are well known and taken into account in the computations.

"Anomalous (noisy) accelerations" appear if the path of the radio crosses the corona and in a few other consitions: it depends clearly on the path of the light, generally beyond 5 UA.

Beyond 5 UA, the solar wind cools, producing excited, neutral atomic hydrogen (in particular metastable 2S), in which a CREIL effect transfers energy from the Solar light (which is redshifted) to the radio waves (CMB and emissions of the Pioneers) which are blueshifted.

Thus the "anomalous acceleration" does not exist, it is simply a blueshift of the radio waves, an elementary physical effect.

Why looking for complex explanations while it is elementary physics ?

Posted - 22 Feb 2006 : 04:50:08

quote:Originally posted by Joe Keller

... the 1999 Turyshev/Anderson best estimate of the anomalous acceleration, is within 3% of the best available estimate of the local Hubble parameter.

- Joe Keller

But it corresponds to a blueshift, not a redshift.

The CREIL explains it simply: the temperature of a beam being given from Planck's law, in a convenient refracting madium, the energy flows from hot (generally light,redshifted) to cold (generally radio, blueshifted).

The periodicity multiple of z=0.062 is explained by the CREIL effect while light propagates in "cold" (10 000-40 000 K) hydrogen, it is observed in the quasar and close objects spectra. Tifft's periodicity is probably produced by a propagation in H2+